tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-365820972024-03-17T05:51:58.542+11:00Mango the Raw Vegan FruitarianA one stop service with everything you ever needed to know about fruitarianism and more..Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.comBlogger296125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-81356560603009870852020-10-12T04:07:00.001+11:002020-10-12T04:07:32.118+11:00<p>I've just published my latest book: <a href="http://fruitnut.net/topsy-turvy-world" target="_blank">TOPSY-TURVY WORLD</a></p><p>It's dedicated to the subject of vegan anarchy and highlights the madness of this world showing that what is mostly considered normal is actually abnormal.</p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://fruitnut.net/topsy-turvy-world" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;" target="_blank"><img alt="Topsy-Turvy World" border="0" data-original-height="985" data-original-width="653" height="492" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9TORQFDH22s/X4M4V_8RihI/AAAAAAAABJM/i5uz0kMd6zgHu6DPyZLP90bxdJ_31QTIACLcBGAsYHQ/w327-h492/Topsy-Turvy%2B-%2BFront%2BCover.jpg" title="Vegan Anarchy" width="327" /></a></div>This is the final tome in a series of 4 books I am calling my "uncommon sense" books. The others are:<p></p><p>1. <a href="http://fruitnut.net/destination-eden" target="_blank">Destination Eden - Eden Fruitarianism Explained</a></p><p>2. <a href="http://fruitnut.net/the-guidebook" target="_blank">The Eden Fruitarian Guidebook</a></p><p>3. <a href="http://fruitnut.net/2020-vision" target="_blank">2020 Vision - Veganism++</a></p><p>They do not require sequential reading as they are all complimentary tomes.</p><p>I have also written The first volume of my Autobiography:</p><p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://fruitnut.net/autobiography" target="_blank">Discovering Eden Fruitarianism - Awakening to Veganism</a><br /></p><p> And one Illustrated Kid's book:</p><p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://fruitnut.net/arnold-trevor-cirrus" target="_blank">Arnold Trevor Cirrus - Goes to the Congo</a><br /></p><p> </p>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-55313683260734842792017-01-31T07:18:00.002+11:002017-01-31T07:18:21.574+11:00<h2 class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<br />Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-87711839558838812162016-02-04T07:26:00.004+11:002016-02-04T07:34:16.291+11:00the Eden Fruitarian guidebook ...I have some news with my books…<br />
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Firstly, my second book, <a href="http://www.lulu.com/shop/mango-wodzak/the-eden-fruitarian-guidebook/paperback/product-22547282.html" target="_blank">the Eden Fruitarian guidebook</a> has now been published …<br />
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It's 390 pages, so slightly bigger than <a href="http://www.lulu.com/shop/mango-wodzak/destination-eden-paper-back/paperback/product-21895227.html" target="_blank">Destination Eden</a> … It's not so much a sequel, but more of a complimentary book, expanding on the ideas expressed within the first book.<br />
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Also, yesterday, February 2, 2016, saw the official release date of
the revised second edition version of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Destination-Eden-Fruitarianism-Mango-Wodzak/dp/1940184258" target="_blank">Destination Eden</a>. The publishers
are asking if anyone who has read the book would care to give a short
one or two line review on the Amazon page, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Destination-Eden-Fruitarianism-Mango-Wodzak/dp/1940184258">www.amazon.com/Destination-Eden-Fruitarianism-Mango-Wodzak/dp/1940184258</a> (and take a look at the other reviews while doing so!) any support in doing so will be greatly appreciated!<br />
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about two weeks ago, an Italian version of Destination Eden was also released to the public:<br />
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and also a Serbian translation:<br />
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<a href="http://esotheria.com/shop/zdrav-zivot-telesni-hram/odrediste-raj/">http://esotheria.com/shop/zdrav-zivot-telesni-hram/odrediste-raj/</a><br />
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A couple of other language translations are in the pipeline… A German version, and also a Spanish version… I will post here when they are both ready; sorry, cannot give a time estimate.Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-61252215654747314622015-08-03T06:15:00.000+10:002015-08-03T06:19:56.872+10:00Comparative Anatomy of Carnivores, Omnivores, Herbivores, Frugivores and Humans .. Here's a wonderful chart showing our anatomical / physiological / taxonomical classification as frugivores..
It's a comparative anatomy chart, comparing the carnivores, omnivores, herbivores and frugivores, and it should be abundantly clear that we are neither Lions, nor tigers nor bears, oh my! So all those people screaming balance of nature as justification for eating other animals, please recognise that by choosing to eat the butchered remains of other animals, you are actually upsetting the balance of nature, not aiding it!
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<br />Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-41657578287689304982014-10-25T10:04:00.000+11:002015-10-21T06:10:28.082+11:00Destination Eden - Reviews of the bookSo far there have been numerous reviews of my fruitarian book (<a href="http://goo.gl/CSIz7m" target="_blank">Destination Eden</a>), most of them quite pleasant and positive..<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Tricia Conners 09/10/2013</span></div>
Mango is clearly the Arnold Ehret of the
21st century! This book is a must read for all budding vegans, raw
vegans and fruitarians, it explains things in a no nonsense way, and
should be on the bookshelf of anyone interested in self improvement and
who genuinely cares about their healths the lives of others, and the
environment. It goes further than every other raw book I've read so far.
I heartily recommend his book, and will surely be ordering several more
copies to give away to family and friends. THANK YOU MANGO!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Monica Lubanska 09/10/2013</span><br />
Mangodurian,
your fruitarian book 'Destination Eden' is sooooo good! The logic with which you
explain things makes being Fruitarian a no brainer! Educates people to
take responsibility for themselves and for the world and it's living
creatures. Love love love it! Peace x....I'm half way through.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Lis Sa 04/10/2013</span><br />
Mango,
I finished your book some days ago and I love it. You did really well.
And I am totally with you on the pet issue - my grandma used to say they
don't belong in the house and should live wildly and freely. And great
idea for a couple to choose their last name, I love it. <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Julie Groenewald 25/09/2013</span><br />
Our
beautiful blue planet is raging with wars, terror, famines, sickness,
sadness etc. There is a solution to this problem – understood only by a
few, ridiculed by many.<br />
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A starting point for us is to realize
first of all – we as humans need to consider how we conduct ourselves on
our planet. We need to go back to basics - paradise in its whole - from
where we have originated.</div>
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Have you ever thought about how
society has conditioned the human race, in civilizing behavior, customs,
values, etc. Have you ever thought who you were created to be, before
you were told how to live life and what you should think, who would you
be when you were left out in the wilderness? The other day I stumbled
upon a blog of someone who said it quite nicely, re-wild yourself, what
would that mean for us today?<br />
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Mango Wodzak presents in his book a
view on true fruitarian philosophy – “Destination Eden: Fruitarianism”
Explained sheds some light on the subject of human life on earth and is
by far one of the most eye opening reads of the century. <br />
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Fruitarian
philosophy does not only mean living on a fruit based diet, but also
encompass faith, ethics, proper stewardship of our planet as instructed
to us back in the Garden of Eden, ethics towards people inhabiting the
planet, as well as all other living beings / things on the planet.
Lastly by living in this holistic balanced view, we can enjoy health as a
result – provided by the foods from Paradise.<br />
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Who we truly are
have been compromised - where we are headed is our choice. This is a
cause I live to support and spread to each and everyone who have an ear:<br />
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Fruitarian Philosophy is a peace revolution for our earth, in paving the road back to paradise.<br />
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from Mango: “Going far beyond the realms of diet, this book explains
the little understood concept of fruitarianism, and why there is an ever
increasing need for humankind to better understand fruit and the unique
role it can play in positively shaping the future.”<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Jeanette van Raaij 26/9/2013</span><br />
Yes!
Really good book! Everyone should read it a couple of times! And i am
so glad that Mangodurian Elfrugivoro wrote it! I feel that i am not the
only one thinking like this. I love life, i love living, i love peolpe,
the earth, The Energy! Eating fruit and having less negative impact as
possible with my use of everything. I want to take/use/recieve and give
it back in a egual or higher vibration. Contribute to Paradise of
Energy!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Janus Groenewald 26/9/2013</span><br />
you have an absolute
talent for writing, this is not just a book.. In my honest opinion you
writing style should be honoured and placed amongst the best in the
world.<br />
I have ready many books in my life..<br />
A suggestion and if
you ever have time, if you would write a fantasy story book for adults /
children, something similar to Lord of the rings etc. I believe you
will sell thousands of copies.<br />
You could make it about a fantasy fruit paradise and evil beings trying to kill all the animals and destroy the earth etc.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Makemasa 25/09/2013</span><br />
Hello Mango!<br />
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I love your book for 2 reasons.<br />
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1. Because it is a beautiful testimony to the possibility of humankind getting back to the Garden...and<br />
2. Because it turned me on to Withnail and I.<br />
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I've passed it on to my wife and she is reading it with delight and we are discussing daily the wisdom inside.<br />
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Please let me know if I can help out in any way!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Jeff 16/09/2013</span><br />
Mango,<br />
Got
your book last week. I am really enjoying it so far. I find myself just
opening it up to a random page and reading some amazing wisdom.
Thank-you for publishing a book that the world sorely needs.<br />
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Jeff<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Fruity Jules 06/09/2013</span><br />
Just
want you to know I received your beautiful book yesterday. And I am
loving it! I've read about half . . . looking forward to the weekend
when I can really indulge myself. : ) I will definitely be buying more
copies to give as gifts.<br />
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It is quite thought-provoking on many
issues and I do need this challenge in some areas where I am not quite
living up to my own beliefs. It's not so easy to break away from
conventional thinking and modern society, as much as one wishes they
could. It's very inspiring the way you have forged your own path and I
look forward to your autobiography which will perhaps shed light on the
more personal aspects of your transformation and journey.<br />
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But for
now I am very happy to read your logical conclusions and hopes and
dreams. Very well done, friend! You can be proud of this creation! Many
thanks for sharing your thoughts and wisdom!!!<br />
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I am grateful you are here. The world needs you. ?<br />
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Love,<br />
Julie <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Lissa 01/10/2013</span></div>
Mango
hat nach 13 Jahren sein Buch namens "Destination Eden" herausgebracht!
Endlich, möchte ich sagen, denn es ist wirklich ganz anders als alles,
was ich bisher zu dem Thema gelesen habe. Zuerst mal: Es geht kaum um's
Essen. Dafür um vieles andere, von Barfußlaufen bis zu Politik. Mich hat
es begeistert und an vielen Stellen zum Nachdenken angeregt. Mango ist
einfach ein wirklicher Freigeist. Ich kann nicht an allen Stellen
folgen, aber das muss man ja auch nicht.<br />
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Wer seinen Horizont erweitern und vieles mal in völlig neuem Licht sehen möchte:<br />
Hier kann man das Buch in Papierversion oder als Pdf bestellen.<br />
(http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/DestinationEden)<br />
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Translation:
After 13 years, mango has published his book "destination Eden"! I have
to say "finally" as it is really very different to everything else I've
read so far on the subject. Firstly, it's not really about food, but
about many other things, from being barefoot, to politics. I was
fascinated by it, and much of it really made me stop and think. Mango's a
real free spirit. I can't follow his every step, but there is no
obligation to either.<br />
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Whoever wants to broaden their horizon, and
see things in a fully new light, his book can be ordered as either a
paperback or as PDF. http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/DestinationEden<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Michael Lanfield 02/11/2013</span><br />
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"Destination Eden is clearly one of the true
spiritual-ethical books everyone needs to read in order to awaken and
understand what our true biological diet and lifestyle needs are. If we
are to survive as a species and co-exist with other beings, we need to
understand that "Eden Fruitarian", as Mango Wodzak coined, is what we
need to embrace in our lives if we want to create a world of peace and
love. No longer can we argue against the fact, that eating food from the
Garden of Eden is what our bodies' are biologically designed for. A
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- Michael Lanfield, author of The Interconnectedness of Life</div>
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Venise McLachlan - 12/11/2013</span><br />
Hi
Mango, just wanted to tell you I have read the ebook and loved it! You
have inspired me so much to be a total fruitarian. I adore fruit and so
many benefits to being this way, physically, emotionally and
spiritually. Also I watched the documentary Pure Fruit and I was really
touched by it. You are both such wonderful people. I enjoyed it so much.
Thank you! xx<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Werner</span><br />
Mango I have read most of your book
and am reluctant to say I agree with most of it, and can't really fault
it. However, the truths you tell are not easy for me to swallow. <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Stanko Lee Lewis - 17/11/2013</span><br />
mango i am nearly throuh. what a read.<br />
your book has been one of the most important books in my life. thank you.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Gabriel Beauchemin 21/11/2013</span><br />
Really
great book. I really appreciate it, it brings me more than I could ever
think! I love the way it's make (with sticky notes), the simplicity and
modesty of your writing. <br />
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I say Buy it if you want a vision that
can change the world. Buy it if you want a new moral that can change
your own person. Buy it if you want a transformation. The transformation
come from your inside, but inspiration can help. This book is
inspiration.<br />
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Finally I want to say that I've been inspired with
some of your ideas that I never heard before like: you green team on
biggest loosers (haha , youre right!), if the humans become a morals
species we could inspire carnivore animal the change, the calendar so
much simpler, or how if the axis of our planet became more neutral there
would be less changes in the season.<br />
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What
an eye opener your book has been! I just finished reading it, and was
most impressed. It made me think about so many things I'd never before
thought of. Especially loved your "Vision" section. It all feels so
"right". This book is a masterpiece!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Julie Suiter - 28/11-2013</span><br />
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I
must tell you that I enjoyed your book SO MUCH. I intend to reread it
soon. I am in agreement with most everything you say . . . and I
applaud you for sharing your vision with the world. Your book is a
beautiful expression of your intelligence and your awareness. I'm sure
it would be mind-blowing to most. It is frustrating to feel that you
are one drop of water in an ocean of craziness. So it certainly helps
me personally to read such sane and uplifting ideals. I am ready to move
to the tropics and get rid of my shoes! Thank you for putting yourself
out there. It's not so easy or wonderful in this age of judgement and
criticism. One must be brave.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Mike Carpenter - 2/12-2013</span><br />
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Absolutely
loved this book! I love the simplicity of it, and fully believe the
crux of it that it's love that truly makes the world go around. Many of
mangos shared thoughts here are new to me, the plant perception, the
benefits barefoot, and balance of nature.. truly eye opening. A definite
"must read", serious and at the same time humorous. My fingers are
still tingling from reading the pages too! Thanks mango! <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Durianrider - 7/12-2013</span><br />
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Just
finished reading Mango's book. It's got some excellent quotes in it and
really enjoyed reading it. Obviously I don't agree with mango on
everything.. calories and that.. But then I don't think I agree with
anyone on everything.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Christina Harris - 13/12-2013</span><br />
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I
finished the book. Well done! Although I dont agree with everything in
the book 100% I still found it both informative and entertaining. I
especially liked all the quotes and cartoons added in for humor <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Julie Harrison - 16/12-2013</span><br />
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Great
book! Took me 3 days to read it, I just couldn't put it down! Truly
inspiring, and loved the little boxes with the great quotes and humor!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Persy - 16/12-2013</span><br />
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regarding
your proposed plot for a movie about world wide human awakening,
unplugging out of the matrix if you will, i think it would be a
fantastic movie--what a wonderful plot you thought up, gave me
goosebumps reading it.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Mr. Zed - 27/12-2013</span><br />
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An
amazing book written by an amazing man. I don't know why Mango isn't
recognized for the greatness he has achieved and why there aren't
thousands of people following his every suggestion. While I don't agree
with every single thing in it, for example I think aggression can be
natural and natural is always good and there's never a problem with
something natural, a wonderful and inspiring and wise and genuinely
educational (in the original sense of the word) book. <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Ornge Ornge Juice - 05/01-2014 & 09/01-2014</span><br />
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I
am almost finished with mango's book and I must say this is one of the
best books I have ever read, the information in there could change
everyone's lives for the better..<br />
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I just finished reading
Mangodurian Elfrugivoro book "Destination Eden". I believe this book
will go down as history along with anne Osborne's book as one of the
first true books that describes the optimal diet for man, our original
diet, how to achieve optimal health through nutrition, optimal beauty,
etc. I must say that of all the raw vegan books out there such as
80/10/10, etc. I have never read a book that actually gets this close to
the discussion of Eden Fruitarianism as Mango describes it. If you want
to achieve the best health you can, and look the youngest you can for
your age, and never have stress or always love, then you must read this
book!!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Lindsay Culclasure - 17/01-2014</span><br />
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Just finished
reading Mangodurian's new book, "Destination Eden." It's a great vegan
treatise full of Mango's wonderful sense of humor. I especially loved
the cartoons!<br />
I can honestly say that I really enjoyed it. Although I
don't agree with all of Mango's logic, he is a witty writer and it's a
good read.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Oliver Laflame - 20/01-2014</span><br />
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I started
reading it and so far its everything I was hoping for even better. This
was definitely a great purchase and I highly recommend EVERYONE to give
it a try... when I read it I get the goosebumps as if this was the word
of an alien creator (god)... btw sorry If i sound weird I believe in
extraterrestrials and that we are some form of project... I will read
some more now of your book Your book makes A LOT of sense.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By RawGosia - December 2013</span><br />
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Mango
is a modern day fruitarian philosopher who lives a life that defies
many conventions, yet arguably is the most natural way of being. Mango
and his partner Kveta, both long term fruitarians, enjoy simple, rural
life and local tropical fruit from the markets or their own garden. I
met Kveta online several years ago, when my interest in fruitarianism
was just a little spark, as a member of a forum she created. I feel a
special connection with Kveta and Mango. Mango’s book is a long awaited
and welcome addition to my library, which I am still reading. It covers
many compelling topics and keeps me interested. I like to keep it handy
and grab it whenever I feel the need for some uncommon sense and
philosophy. This is a unique book that offers a vision to the world that
needs it desperately. I feel lucky to read this book during these times
of change, right when the new history is being created.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Thatoneguyonline - 18/12/2013</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Pedallin Raw - 16/01-2014</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Wanda Embar - January 2014</span><br />
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Destination Eden was written by my fruitarian friend Mango and explains his Eden Fruitarianism lifestyle.<br />
He
created the term "Eden Fruitarianism" to distinguish his lifestyle from
the different definitions of fruitarian that currently exist. This book
does not provide any scientific evidence or nutritional data to back up
his belief that fruit is the best food for our bodies and he explains
why he doesn't believe in doing so. What this book does provide is lots
of food for thought. Mango bases his beliefs on compassion and shares
his thoughts about fruitarianism, animal farming, monocrops, the pet
industry, country borders, footwear, our voting system and much, much
more. He also interspersed his book with many great quotes. Vegans are
often asked "what about plants, don't they feel pain". If nothing else,
this book definitely provides "the solution to the screaming carrot
dilemma". If you consider yourself to be an open-minded person, who
enjoys being challenged by new ideas, then this book is a really good
read. It might even inspire you to make some changes to your current
lifestyle.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Al Beret - 09/02-2014</span><br />
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Simply loved this book. So much so that I am reading it again from the beginning. Want to make sure I didn't miss anything!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Kari Cortez - 23/02-2014</span><br />
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A
friend of mine lent me this book, I had no real expectations, and to be
honest didn't believe I would enjoy reading it, but somehow I got
sucked in to it, and each page was an eyeopener for me. It covers more
than most books I have read about ethics and lifestyle, and really
requires an open mind to follow through to the conclusion it leads to. I
am still digesting it, but positively one of the best books I have ever
read, and I am so grateful to Jan for sharing it with me... Now to make
a nice fruit smoothy!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Venise McVegan - 09/03/2014</span><br />
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I've
read your book. It is a great read! I am 99% fruitarian now and words
cannot explain just how good I am feeling. Physically, mentally,
emotionally and spiritually. The best thing I have ever done and your
book had a lot to do with me doing this, so I am very grateful.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Tim Beek - 12/03-2014</span><br />
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I bought it, and love it! will keep going back to read it. I'd recommend it for everyone. <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Christina - 09/12-2013</span><br />
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I
didn't agree with everything in the book but it was still an enjoyable
read. I especially liked all the quotes, jokes, cartoons scattered
throughout the book.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Prem Das - 15/01-2014</span><br />
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Mango, I didn't like your book. I just didn't like it.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Nick Brewster - 03/02-2014</span><br />
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Loved
your book Mango! Read it from cover to cover. Twice. I think I've read
every page of you blog too, and loved that, which is why I got your
book. Thank you for all the knowledge you've shared with us, and please
please keep writing! <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Nicole Edmonds-Lyles - 18/03-2014</span><br />
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If you're interested in fruitarianism, Destination Eden - Fruitarianism Explained is a fantastic read and I highly recommend it.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Fruity Ronster - 20/03-2014</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Charles Garcia - 25/03-2014</span><br />
<br />
Simply
loved Destination Eden. I keep it next to the toilet, and open it up at
random to get words of wisdom and encouragement. Can't wait for your
promised autobiography - Hurry up with that!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Glen Adams - 30/4-2014</span><br />
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This book is truth. Every page. Very enlightening, will get more copies to give as presents, everyone should read it!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Paulina Longan - 19/5-2014</span><br />
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First
of all I want to say that youre a huge inspiration to me. I came across
your blog in 2009 and my heart knew you were speaking the truth right
away. But kept finding reasons why fruitarianism wasnt for me... I
believed that you lost your teeth because of fruit among other things
(which obviously isnt the case!) Then came across 801010 which was
slightly less of an "extreme" and with all the science backing it up I
decided to go from cooked vegan to raw. But eating greens never felt
right to me and I had this battle in my head between ethical
fruitarianism (heart) and 801010 (mind). Last summer I decided not to
follow any guidelines except my own heart and intuition. And I havent
had any veggies since. Read your book a couple of weeks after it was
released and I agree with virtually everything (still find it hard to
accept what you say about pets since I have a dog, wont get any other
pets in the future though). Ethical fruitarianism/Eden fruitarianism
pretty much sums up my life philosophy and what Im striving for in daily
life. <br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Ozzie Warrington - 29/5-2014</span><br />
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Just finished your
book and I have to say bravo!! I loved it greatly and your views on
some things just opened my eyes further. A truly eye opening book!
Everyone should have a copy!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Medjool - 24/5-2014</span><br />
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Oh Mango!<br />
I
finally got the courage to purchase the book. After reading 3/4 through
I suffered from a major bout of overwhelm. It lasted a full weekend and
hit me so hard I wondered whether I would ever pick up your book again.
I spent time in my garden totally avoiding the issues that raced
through my overactive mind. But by Monday evening I felt a surge of
peace - with my failures, my wasted years, my situation. So I finished
your book. And I now thank you. It rates with only two other books that
have shaped, challenged and pushed me to new heights. Congratulations
and well done.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Mal - 30/5-2014</span><br />
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Mango, I first
discovered your book at a local market earlier this year. I picked it up
and flicked through it, but didn't buy it.. Then some weeks ago, I came
across it again, and decided it was obviously something I needed to
read and I am so glad I did. I absolutely loved it!! It answered so many
questions for me, and opened my eyes to so many things on so many
levels. I agree with other reviews I've seen of your book, this is the
best one I have ever read, and I know I will keep coming back to it and
rereading it. Thank you so much for writing this and I hope you write
more because I think your message is unique and concise and one the
world needs to hear. Thankyou thankyou. the best $28 I ever spent!!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Audrey Driver - 31/05-2014</span><br />
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I just finished your book--it was excellent; thank you, so very much.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Mat Stevenson - 10/04-2014</span><br />
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Mango,
what a brilliant idea for a TV series, I would definitely watch that
one! Loved the rest of the book too. I feel I am only just getting
started and your book is a guiding light for me. Thanks!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Lisa Meier - 27/07-2014</span><br />
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I
am almost done reading this book. I have never in my life read a book
that put all my thoughts and feelings down in writing. It's almost
shocking and a blessing to know there is another human out there that
feels this way. Thank you Mango. This is now my bible. I now don't feel
so isolated and alone in this world, and possibly I don't have to make
such an effort to hide my thoughts as so to have people think I'm crazy.
This is a must read for everybody. I am honored to be an Eden
Fruitarian. Waiting on your next book. Thank you for being such a kind
and gentle creature Mango.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Edward Beck - 08/08-2014</span><br />
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I loved this book. A very good read.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Tree Clark - 08/08-2014</span><br />
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My
friend just read it and she is paleo and she was very hesitant and
sarcastic at the beginning but she read it all and was impressed. So yeh
that was a shock to me she was so responsive. Its a great book :))<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Gary Blingblang - 08/08-2014</span><br />
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I was very happy reading your book and the humour within.<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Annie Rivers - 25/08-2014</span><br />
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I
found your book incredibly challenging but difficult to fault, even
your views on pet keeping were especially hard for me as I have 3 dogs
and a cat. I cried out no no no! but I have to admit there is as you say
an uncommon sense to your opinion, that is really making me think.
thanks for sharing your wisdom and insight!<br />
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<span style="background-color: purple;">By Ozzie Warrington - 19/09-2014</span><br />
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Awesome book! Read it twice now, cannot wait for the next one!<br />
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Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-73697128428547642702013-08-29T13:10:00.002+10:002013-08-29T13:10:24.709+10:00Destination EdenMy first book is finally finished and vailable to order online:<br />
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<a href="http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/DestinationEden">http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/DestinationEden</a><br />
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it has taken me 13 years!!<br />
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I need a break from the keyboard.<br />
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cheers,<br />
mangoFruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com24tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-22153427875293279432012-07-26T06:33:00.001+10:002012-07-26T06:33:46.239+10:00Woodstock fruit festival documentary.<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Hi guys.. <br/><br/>I know, I know.. I don't blog anymore. it's true. The rest of my life takes up too much time.<br/><br/>However, I'm just here to say a few quick words about a potential new fruit centered documentary that will be made should there be enough funding.<br/><br/>You all surely recall the "<a href='http://vimeo.com/36666602'>pure fruit</a>" documentary of Kveta and I? Well, Emile, the director, and David, the camera guy, may team together once more to film the woodstock fruit festival this year.<br/><br/>Although their focus is more on fitness, their undue preoccupation with calories and the 801010 philosophy, the festival nevertheless promotes a predominantly fruit diet, and will hopefully encourage others to consider a moving toward true fruitarianism.<br/><br/>Anyone wishing to see the documentary made, can help out by contributing.. See the webpage here:<br/><br/><a href='http://kck.st/LX1as7'>http://kck.st/LX1as7</a></div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com17tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-60056647843762238802012-02-15T16:45:00.001+11:002012-02-15T16:45:40.056+11:00Fruitarian Documentary<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The Fruitarian documentary featuring myself and Kveta is finally finished and available to watch for free for one week, online.<br /><br />Emile (the director) has created a facebook page called "<a href='http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pure-Fruit-film/379957075363911'>Pure Fruit</a>", with more details.<br /><br />The film can be seen directly here too:<br /><br /><a href='http://vimeo.com/36666602'>http://vimeo.com/36666602</a><br /><br />I have stopped blogging. Not sure if it's a temporary thing or more semi permanent.. In any case, Kveta and I are both doing well, and enjoying living in our new home which fulfils many/most of our dreams. We hope to spend the rest of our days here surrounded by fruit trees.<br /><br />I hope to one day continue writing my book, and let all the story be known. But for the moment, the garden is our priority, together with enjoying life and sunshine.<br /><br />peace to all,<br /><br />Mango.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-74503452758283616962011-10-09T14:07:00.003+11:002011-10-16T13:08:11.359+11:00Vision of Eden<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">It is my firm conviction, that the principle focus behind fruitarianism should be the understanding of the uniqueness of fruit as a food choice. Unlike all other foods, fruit is the one true food that karmically speaking is clearly "given" freely. Fruit is the only food which ultimately has the potential to be truly compatible with the immortal words of "the Beatles", <i>love is all you need</i>. All other foods require the death or partial destruction and injury toward a life form. Whether it be through the cold hard steel of a knife blade to a pig's throat, the imprisonment and suffering of animals kept for no other purpose than human gluttony, the untimely assassination of wild free roaming animals, the constant ploughing of fields for mono cereal crops destroying the lives and habitats of countless small wildlife. Even the consumption of seeds and nuts often prevents the seed from any chance of germination and a life of it's own, and the uprooting of carrots, lettuce and similar either completely terminate the life of a plant, or destroy a good part of it. All these actions incur karmic debt, which, whether we like it or not, are aware of it or not, will be paid off in kind. <br />
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It is unrealistic to think that fruitarianism proposes an immediate total eradication of such needless harm and death, but I do see it as a method to greatly minimize such, and over time as the consciousness of humankind expands toward its spiritual potential, <b>I do not believe that such a goal is at all unrealistic</b>. <br />
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My vision is to see the whole world embrace this concept. I believe that once humankind has inevitably done so, other species (YES!) will naturally follow suit.. So instead of looking up to other species as examples as to how we should eat and live (Sadly most often the case today), other species will be guided and influenced by us, and ultimately the chaotic bloody balance of nature as it currently exists, will evolve into a harmonious peaceful balance where all species will be able to live their lives without fear of this insane dog eat dog, kill or be killed competitive ruthless insanity.. survival of the fittest will be replaced by mutual respect and cooperation. I by no means propose to have all the answers, far from it, but I do trust that there are no problems without solutions and that as we continue to evolve, the path will become ever clearer. Ultimately fruitarianism proposes a "Live and let live" solution.<br />
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What I don't believe should be part of fruitarianism, is calorie counting, focusing on carbohydrates, electrolytes, minerals, vitamins etc etc.. I think these factors ultimately stem from "FEAR", and a clear lack of trust and faith in fruit. Most people are truly hoodwinked into following this pseudoscience side of eating, and although they themselves have no real idea what proteins or calories really are, they still wield the terms as if they were personally very familiar with them. Lying to themselves and others in doing so. <br />
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Fruitarianism is about letting go of such fears, trusting in the goodness of fruit, living as simply as one can, having faith, (there's always room for improvement!) eating when hungry, drinking when thirsty, resting and sleeping when tired. It is not about following fashion based on greed and consumerism, but about walking barefoot to regain contact with the earth, being naked, weather permitting, whenever one can do so without victimization, letting ones hair and beard, when applicable, grow naturally, not defacing ones body with tattoos, piercing, make up and chemical cleaners, certainly not undergoing pointless surgery. Rather it concerns the understanding that the medical industry is a multi billion dollar business that ultimately does NOT have our best interests at heart. Understanding that the body will heal itself from pretty much anything if we follow the rules of simplicity and fruit eating.<br />
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I believe it is also about getting closer to nature, about getting our hands covered in soil as we plant and care for new fruit trees. Not competitiveness, not Alpha-male centred and dominated society, but mutual support and understanding of one another, and using our energy toward the ultimate vision of Eden and personal spiritual growth.<br />
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Fruit has not only the ability to cleanse us both internally physically and mentally, but also applied externally is great for washing our bodies, as well as making us more spiritually aware. <br />
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As always, I feel I have barely scratched the surface, and the final peace and tranquillity that will reign will be beyond all our expectations.<br />
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peace,<br />
mango.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com12tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-72622249322529769912011-09-22T17:06:00.000+10:002011-09-22T17:06:00.618+10:00Concerning the Fruitarian Interviews.<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I have a fair few things in my head I need to get done, including many in terms of writing and this blog etc. <br/><br/>One of them, is that I've long been meaning to sort through my "<a href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2008/02/list-of-interviews-with-fruitarians.html' target='_blank'>list of interviews with fruitarians</a>", and figure out which are genuine and which are not.<br/><br/><br /><img width='400' height='300' src='http://i52.tinypic.com/xvorl.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br /><div align='center'><b>Not far from where we live.</b><br/><br /></div><br /><br/>Truth is, each time I have made contact with someone in regard to a potential interview, the first thing I have tried to establish is that that person is already eating 100% fruit (with no nuts, including coconuts, seeds, vegetables including sugarcane juice, no roots, no tubors, no greens etc etc.. just purely fruit), OR that that person has a genuine intention of one day reaching such a diet, and that they should be sure that this is a genuine lifetime commitment, and not a passing experimental fad.<br/><br/>Sure, I am far from lacking understanding that people may reach a realization of fruit, but that circumstances may hinder such an immediate progression, or that addictions may first have to be confronted. I accept that probably this is the case for many, if not most. I am certainly not in denial there may be difficulties. I know I myself struggled from time to time, but during my failings, I never once lost faith that fruit is the only genuine food for humans, and always kept my goal in mind and sight.<br/><br/><img width='400' height='300' src='http://i52.tinypic.com/kaqzq8.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>Sure, also, I may not have made it totally clear to interviewees that I was not after people that were not 100% certain with their commitment.. But my intention has always been show purely people that have a genuine 100% committed intention of eating solely fruit.. (ie, once more, nothing but fruit, no greens, carrots, coconuts, sugar cane etc etc..) This is by no means meant as a judgement. Far from it. I understand and respect others freedom to make their own choices. (note: there have already been a few interviews that have been deleted on request because the interviewee had a change of heart).<br/><br/>So, what I would like to do, i s get people who I've interviewed in the past, to please please comment honestly and fairly, and tell me whether or not they can swear that 100% fruit is indeed their goal. If it is not, I respectfully desire to delete the interviews of those whose direction is elsewhere.<br/><br/><img width='400' height='301' src='http://i56.tinypic.com/10gwcd4.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>If however, you still consider yourself at heart to be a 100% committed fruitarian, but not quite there, please let me know what you feel about that, whether or not you have some timeline to reach your goal, or what the reasons are that you feel you are not there yet? (fear, uncertainty (then you shouldn't be interviewed yet), lack of choice, addiction, etc etc).<br/><br/>For me, fruitarianism is not, and never has been, about eating so many percent fruit, or so many percent of ones caloric intake from fruit. Readers will know that I scorn calories and carbohydrates, minerals and vitamins and sugars, 801010, and workouts. Sure, I understand that this is the focus of many, just it is not mine. The fruitarianism I talk of does not have it's roots in any of this modern complex pseudoscience, but rather in simplicity. <br/><br/><img width='401' height='300' src='http://i51.tinypic.com/fz9g7q.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>The roots stem from a potential Garden of Eden. Fictional or not, matters not to me. I see it as a genuine direction and focus for humankind, that has the potential to ultimately heal this planet, restore forests, stop land erosion, and restore our demented psychi. Taking us up a few vibrational levels to the species we may ultimately evolve in to.<br/><br/>The way I see it, fruitarianism as well as being about simplicity, is also most importantly an ethical issue. It's about doing no harm, or minimizing harm to as great an extent as feasible. Naturally, there are other sidelines to that.. health, environment, economics and more, and these are all of course important factors too, but not my predominant focus.. <br/><br/><img width='401' height='301' src='http://i55.tinypic.com/ac7q6a.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>Of course, making things clear once more, when I talk of a 100% fruit, I am referring to raw ripe and ready fresh fruit. Not cooked fruit, not canned fruit, not dried fruit, not even sun dried fruit. Not grains or nuts that some people at times have erroneously classified as fruit. I am talking of the part of the plant which is, karmically speaking, given freely. I know I'm repeating myself, but much as I myself see it as simple, peoples' minds are often so rooted in complexity, they fail to see the simple. They seem to desire instead complex formulas and figures. That is not what fruitarianism is about. I've mentioned before that some friends of mine once met a girl who claimed she was fruitarian, and visiting her, found her eating peanut butter, jam and bread.. For her, the jam was made from fruit, and the peanuts were fruit to her too, as were the grains of wheat in her probably home made bread..<br/><br/><img width='399' height='299' src='http://i53.tinypic.com/2ql7hg0.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>A good friend has asked me recently about this, saying there are many people claiming fruitarianism but eating things other than fruit. It's true, I know I don't have a monopoly on the word. It is used and abused quite loosely these days. But I ask, where is the simplicity of 80% fruit constituting fruitarian. There is none.. How can one even know really that 80% of ones diet is fruit.. It's a joke. Seriously, it's such a loose description open to people eating 50 and 60% and fooling themselves that they eat 80%.. even scientifically calculating the calorific content of ones food to figure out the 80% factor is a joke. It will vary daily.. and whose deciding what the other 20% can and can't be? Certainly unless the follower of such a pattern is 100% vegan, I wouldn't take them seriously dietwise anyway. <br/><br/><img width='400' height='300' src='http://i52.tinypic.com/2qdv8ex.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>See.. this is also the thing.. back in the day, my own path took me through vegetarianism, veganism, raw veganism to fruitarianism.. There was a deep commitment to ethics in each step. When I began eating raw, I never could have imagined that people could choose to eat raw eating animal products too. The thought just never crossed my mind. But I like to think I'm a little wiser now, and I know that is far from the truth. Trouble is, many of the people reaching what they define as fruitarianism, have made their choices purely out of health reasons, they may talk of ethics, but have never even been a committed vegan.. If they can't be a committed vegan I can't see how they can ever be a committed fruitarian, regardless of what percentage they believe they are at... <br/><br/><img width='400' height='301' src='http://i53.tinypic.com/209pp9e.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/><br/>So, enough of my waffling..<br/><br/>This is a request to all my interviewees.. please tell me where you are at, are you committed, are you eating 100%, do you think you ever will be, how long do you estimate before you reach that stage, what are the issues preventing you from doing so immediately??<br/><br/>Please be as honest as you possibly can. I will not think less of you for opting out, or for struggling. Please feel unjudged and at ease.<br/><br/>kind regards,<br/>Mango.<br/><br/><img width='399' height='299' src='http://i53.tinypic.com/rsyb95.jpg' style='max-width: 800px;'/><br/></div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-62759431887779684232011-09-17T08:19:00.000+10:002011-09-17T08:19:00.662+10:00A Tony Wright interview..<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Some years ago, I was invited to take part in some wacky sleep deprivation experimentation going on down in Devon, UK.. <br/><br/>Not fully knowing what to really expect, myself, and friend of the time, Antony, agreed to meet up down there, and give it a shot.<br/><br/>I was living in France back then, up in the Pyrenees, but a stone throw from the Spanish border.. pretty well off the beaten track. <br/><br/>Ant on the other hand, was in the UK, and therefore able to get there quicker than I, so thus arrived a day or 2 before I did.<br/><br/>On arrival at Exeter bus terminal, Ant was there to greet me together with another guy named Tony Wright.<br/><br/>What followed were probably 10 of the most unusual days of my existence.. spent in a big old farm house out in the countryside.<br/><br/>There were a bunch of us there.. Me, Ant, Tony, Dave, Steve, Harmonie and Karen. Karen was the original editor and publisher of the FRESH network magazine, which some readers may recall from the 1990s, before it became a glossy commercialised affair.<br/><br/>The theory was that one half of the brain is basically a demented version of what it once may have been. Likely rendered so, due to generations of cooked food abuse. Supposedly, it is this half of the brain which is generally in control. <br/><br/>Meanwhile, the other half, supposedly relatively undamaged and properly functional, slumbers on in a sort of "hibernation" mode.<br/><br/>Tony Wright was the man with the theory, and according to him, simplifying the story somewhat, once the mind becomes weary, it sort of switches off the bulk of our senses before finally shutting itself down, allowing us to enter into the sleep state. It is during this time, that the fully functional not demented half, kicks in. But it seems it's a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, and once sleep is over, the evil half wakes rubs it's eyes and pushes aside the good half with a complete lack of disrespect for communication.<br/><br/>So the whole point of the sleep deprivation experimentation I was part of, was/is that if you can force yourself to stay awake for long enough, eventually the evil half will become too tired to function, and without the opportunity to turn off the senses as it normally would do, just shuts down, leaving for quite likely the first time ever, the good half active with a conscious mind.<br/><br/>OK.. I admit, I may be simplifying the whole scenario, but basically during the following 10 days, apart from what we christened the odd "micro"nap, (short lapses into sleep of no more than a minute), I remained awake.<br/><br/>Now this seems an unlikely tale.. especially when one considers that I enjoy my sleep and can easily sleep 10 or 11 hours every night, but somehow, I believe that the above paragraph is for all intents and purposes truthful.<br/><br/>The events that ensued are not what I wish to go into right now. They can wait for another when. But, the fact that we were all pretty much eating fruit only, I believe helped the experience unfold.<br/><br/>But the point of this article?<br/><br/>Well, in recent years, I've had very little contact with those folks from back then, but recently I stumbled upon a few interviews with Tony on Youtube, and thought I'd share them with yous all:<br/><br/><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrznMP-VH90&feature=related' target='_blank'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrznMP-VH90&feature=related</a><br/><br/>And:<br/><br/><iframe width='420' height='345' frameborder='0' allowfullscreen='' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZVRrNBlue9I'/><br/><br/>and anyone intersted in finding out more, or reading Tony's book, can visit his website:<br/><br/><a target='_blank' href='http://www.leftinthedark.org.uk'>http://leftinthedark.org.uk</a><br/><br/>hugs,<br/>mango.<br/></div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-8273904392890017522011-09-13T15:22:00.000+10:002011-09-13T15:22:00.355+10:00Fruitarian Interview - 13- Rudolf Sappel<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Gracias a Olga Olga Vizán y Carlos, por la traduccion Español. (see <a target='_blank' href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2008/05/fruitarian-interview-13-rudolf-sappel.html'>here</a> for the english translation)<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Hola Rudolf. <br/>¡Gracias por tomarte el tiempo de responder a algunas preguntas!</span><br/><br/><img border='0' align='right' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/4-onset.jpg?t=1209609533' alt='Rudolf the Fruitarian'/>Querido Mango, gracias por cuidar tanto a tus amigos frugívoros en Europa y en el resto del mundo. Tenemos sitio en nuestros corazones el uno con el otro.<br/>Teniendo especialmente en cuenta a nuestros amigos frugívoros desperdigados por el globo.<br/>Los mejores saludos a todos los frugivoros desperdigados por el mundo.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Podrías empezar hablándonos un poco sobre ti mismo, cuántos años tienes, dónde estás viviendo y dónde crecistes?</span><br/><br/>En el año 2008 he cumplido 46 años, nací en Munich en el año 1962.<br/>Cuando era pequeño nos mudamos de Munich a baja Baviera, a una finca antigua en el campo donde me encantaba vivir y quería crecer, porque era un lugar muy bonito.<br/><br/>Cuando nuestro padre murió prematuramente, mi hermana y yo fuimos enviados para crecer en unas escuelas-monasterio-internado.<br/>Crecer en la escuela fue duro, porque estaba prohibido llevar una de vida de frugívoro.<br/><br/><center><img border='0' style='height: 298px; width: 405px;' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/6-lemon-trees.jpg?t=1209609451' alt='lemon tree'/></center><br/><br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Entonces, ¿qué te trajo de Alemania a España? ¿Fue algo bueno para ti? ¿Cuánto tiempo has estado viviendo aquí?</span><br/><br/>Yo creo que fue el destino, de otra forma nunca nos hubiéramos conocido. Cuando me vine de Berlín a España en 1999 no sabía donde ir. <br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Hablemos entonces de como nos conocimos. Eso fue un súper buen ejemplo de algo más que una coincidencia. Yo escribí sobre esto <a href='http://www.blogger.com/www.fruitnut.net/HTML/215_NonFiction_Coincidence_Rudolf_Sappel.htm'>aquí</a>, ¿supongo que la historia fue también algo parecida por tu parte? </span><br/><br/>Cómo podría olvidar tus simpáticas interpretaciones de la vida.<br/><br/>Sé que a veces sueno un poco bruto y quiero disculparme. <br/><br/>Dicho esto, mi opinión sobre ti es muy positiva y familiar.<br/><br/>Un día, cuando yo estaba solo en mi casa empecé a rezar, para conocer a otros frugívoros que pensaran como yo, y no pasó mucho tiempo hasta que nos topamos el uno con el otro en el mercado de Campello. Eso fue realmente una coincidencia y estoy muy agradecido de que nos conociésemos.<br/><br/>Encontré a un hermano tan simpático en ti y para mí era incluso difícil de creer el hecho de que tú también fueras frugívoro.<br/><br/>Eso fue una profunda experiencia espiritual, es decir, como funcióna el sincronismo.<br/><br/>Cuando leo tu diario me resulta familiar, porque es simplemente un hecho el que debemos estar directamente relacionados de algún modo.<br/><br/><img border='0' align='right' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/5-ons.jpg?t=1209609472' alt='Ooom'/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿La Divina Providencia?</span><br/><br/>Om Namah Shivay<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Ahora, respecto a la alimentación…. ¿Con qué tipo de alimentación creciste? ¿Nos podrías dar una idea de lo que solías comer en un día cualquiera?</span><br/><br/>Cuando era pequeño, decidí que quería ser frugívoro, pero cuando fui al colegio me impidieron serlo, hasta que me olvidé de ello por algunos años.<br/><br/>En el internado nos obligaban a comer comida podrida.<br/><br/>Estamos viviendo en la era de Kali Yuga [periodo que aparece en las escrituras hinduistas = "era de riña e hipocresía"], con humanos que han olvidado nuestro origen. Los humanos torturamos nuestra Tierra, incluyendo todas las plantas y formas de vida, como cerdos, vacas, ovejas, peces y animales salvajes. La mayoría de ellos acaban muertos y cocinados como comida basura. <br/><br/>En la escuela éramos alimentados de forma bastante no saludable, para abreviarlo. <br/><br/>El lavado de cerebro de la escuela y la comida industrial fueron sin duda perjudiciales.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Compara eso con ahora, ¿como sería tu comida en un día normal ahora?</span><br/> <br/>Gracias a Dios el tiempo de la peor de la comida se ha terminado, y ahora estoy comiendo frutas maduras de temporada y de la región, como tú sabes. Actualmente incluso he encontrado fruta orgánica en la tienda BIO del pueblo [Villajoyosa/Alicante]<br/><br/>El mayor problema de la fruta son los fungizidas y los pesticidas, especialmente en España. A veces me salen llagas en la boca, se me inflama la garganta y me sale una alergia en la cara, me escuece la lengua, etc. tras comer frutas del mercado.<br/><br/>Está mejor ahora, pero no está completamente solucionado, porque algunos productores de fruta todavía están vendiendo “armas biológicas”, frutas modificadas genéticamente, híbridos, en lugar de fruta madura sana sin contaminar.<br/><br/><div align='center'><img border='0' style='height: 304px; width: 405px;' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/1-fruiTable.jpg?t=1209609629' alt='table of fruit'/><br/></div><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Entonces, ¿cuando volviste a cambiar hacia una dieta más natural? ¿Progresastes poco a poco de vegetarianismo, veganismo, comida cruda y frugivorismo, o fue más un cambio de golpe para ti? ¿Qué provocó esos cambios?</span><br/><br/>Tuve un buen periodo frugívoro de 1962 a 1967.<br/><br/>Algunos profesores de escuela, políticos y publicistas de la televisión, médicos, e incluso científicos, fueron víctimas de sus mentes pre-condicionadas. Como siempre, los misioneros fanáticos todavía hacen lo que mejor saben hacer. <br/><br/>La manipulación de la humanidad es tan antigua como la religión y nosotros podemos preguntarnos lo que nos hace olvidarnos de nuestras funciones naturales y de cómo dirigimos nuestra depredadora competición.<br/><br/>Nuestro origen frugívoro ha sido constantemente corrompido e invadido con un proceso de superación de política masiva durante la crisis mundial de estudiantes de 1968.<br/><br/>Fue una vergüenza, que eso pasara poco después de la segunda guerra mundial en los tiempos de la liberación hippie combinado con grandes cantidades del tan desperdiciado “flower-power”.<br/><br/>En 1984 tuve el impulso de cambiar mi vida a mejor, tratando de vivir saludable, lo que fuera que significara para mí en ese momento.<br/><br/><iframe scrolling='no' frameborder='0' align='right' style='height: 240px; width: 120px;' src='http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=veganfruitari-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=0446300152&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr' marginwidth='0' marginheight='0' class=' jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt jjbhibxrthcqlyaywxwt'/><br/><br/>Tras leer “Fit for life” en 1987 [Traducido como la “Anti-Dieta” al español], me compré una nueva bateria para cocinar mas sano.<br/><br/>En 1989 decidí deshacerme del mal olor de boca por beber chocolate caliente y comer gran cantidad pasteles y dulces masticando cardamomo en lugar de mascar chicle.<br/><br/>Desde ese momento empecé a avanzar como vegetariano. En 1991, tras dejar mi trabajo en BMW era un hombre libre por primera vez en mi vida.<br/><br/>Y también a partir de ese momento, mi viaje frugívoro tuvo altibajos, cometiendo todavía algunos errores alimentarios y experiencias vegetarianas. <br/><br/>No llevó mucho tiempo el ir más allá de mis ideales como vegano porque era demasiado honesto para hacer compromisos con la mala comida, cuando estaba claro que lo que yo quería era convertirme en un frugívoro real.<br/><br/>Los veganos han sido una maravillosa inspiración para mí. <br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Entonces hoy, en este punto de tu vida, ¿has adoptado completamente el frugivorismo y tienes fe completa en una dieta de 100% fruta, verdad?</span><br/><br/>Ciertamente, porque ahora estoy muy convencido y nada puede detenerme de mi camino “satvico” frugívoro.[= según la tradición ayurvédica: dieta equilibrante, espiritual] <br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>A parte de a mí, y de Pelagus, a quien yo sé que has conocido, ¿conoces algún otro frugívoro? En la web o en persona….</span><br/><br/><img border='0' title='' style='float: left; height: 228px; margin: 10px 10px 0pt 0pt; width: 171px;' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/7-100_1577.jpg?t=1209609381' alt='Loquat tree in Rudolfs garden.'/>;Ahora mismo conozco algunos frugívoros más, y estoy contento de que tú conocieras también a mi buena amiga Pelagus.<br/><br/>Cuando abrí nuestra primera página frugívora para citas (<a target='_blank' href='http://www.frugilove.com/'>http://www.frugilove.com</a> ) quería hacer un gran regalo a nuestra familia frugívora, especialmente a Cristina Samson, en Maastricht.<br/><br/>Conocí a Springlight en la página de citas veggieromance, que está también adaptada para frugívoros.<br/><br/>El primer frugívoro que conocí fue Ralf von Muehldorfer, que más tarde cambio a vegano. Perdí el contacto con Genevieve, Fruitaa y algunos otros crudiveganos que se llamaban a sí mismo frugívoros. También conocí a Balta de España, que es sobretodo crudivegano, con una fuerte tendencia frugívora. Suvine está todavía bien. <br/><br/>Una muy comprometida personalidad frugívora y que haze máquinas para producir energía es Wolfgang Hann, que está viviendo y plantando una reserva frugívora en Paraguay.<br/><br/>Peggy parece ser una frugívora muy buena y la más guapa y poderosa FruitbatAnne con Cappi están haciendo lo mejor por nosotros.<br/><br/>Durante mi frugívora odisea encontré sobre unos 50 a 60 frugívoros registrados en mis páginas y algunos de ellos los conozco muy bien, a otros no los conoceré nunca.<br/><br/>Algunos de nuestros archivos frugívoros se están haciendo más grandes, mientras que otros se rompen, y si pongo todos los contactos frugívoros juntos puedo contar más de cien. Las razones de tener poca comunicación entre frugívoros son las grandes distancias y principalmente el no tener contacto directo en el día a día con un montón de trabajo que hacer.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Puedes hablarnos un poco sobre tu salud antes y después? Los cambios en tu dieta… Sobre tu peso, y cualquier otro gran cambio? </span><br/><br/>Antes de volverme frugívoro tenía granos en mi piel, problemas dentales, acidez de estómago, mala digestión con un mal aliento tendencia a acumular grasa en el abdomen como la mayoría de los humanos con los hábitos alimenticios habituales. <br/><br/>Mi peso está perfectamente equilibrado actualmente. Mi piel parece mucho más joven y las chicas más guapas y sobre todo los chicos algunas veces están celosos, lo que quiera decir eso. Para la mayoría de la gente es bastante impresionante conocer a un frugívoro, porque ellos son diferentes y especiales. <br/><br/><div align='center'><img border='0' style='height: 308px; width: 411px;' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/3-fruitarian-mountain.jpg?t=1209609554' alt='Rudolf Mountain climbing'/><br/></div><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Qué piensa tu madre de que seas un frugívoro? ¿Qué hay del resto de tu familia, tienes hermanos o hermanas?</span><br/><br/>Mi madre me inició en el camino a la fruta cuando tenía 3 ó 4 años. <br/>Todo empezó cuando le pregunté: ¿Qué comen las personas en el paraíso?<br/><br/>Ella contestó brevemente: “frutas”.<br/><br/>Ahora mismo mi madre, en esos días muy sabia, ha cambiado de opinion. Actualmente ella cree que mi forma de vida frugívora debe ser menos saludable que la suya, aún después de que ella ha tenido problemas de salud. (no quiero publicar mas detailes por lealidad)<br/><br/>Es una pena que ella enfermara con la comida inhumana y lo peor de todo es que yo no puedo ayudarla. ¿Qué más puedo hacer que no sea el tener paciencia?<br/><br/>Somos cinco hermanos y dos hermanas que ya están trabajando o estudiando. Todos son libres de hacer lo que ellos quieran… y eso es un gran regalo.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Tomas suplementos – cosas tipo pastillas de vitaminas, espirulina o algo similar? ¿Estás preocupado sobre el hecho de no obtener suficiente calcio, proteína, vitamina B12 o lo que sea?</span><br/><br/>Oh, dios mío… Cuando oigo hablar sobre espirulina casi me dan ganas de vomitar, porque la probé una vez y no pude soportarlo. Quizás es una medicina realmente, pero honestamente yo evito esos suplementos, ya que la fruta tiene todo en la mejor forma de absorción compatible con nuestro cuerpo.<br/><br/>Yo todavía no puedo participar en el histerismo colectivo con los suplementos de moda, porque eso está muy lejos de ser nuestro puro estilo de vida frugívoro.<br/><br/>Un año debemos beber leche y comer queso para obtener el calcio, y entonces el siguiente debermos tomar espirulina para equilibrarnos. Los pacientes con osteoporosis han sido asesinados con leche y queso, ¿por qué tengo yo que recoger tal mal karma?<br/><br/>Por supuesto que conozco los beneficios de la espirulina y su gran valor natural, pero yo no vivo en el océano como un pez. La espirulina no debe ser una comida frugívora típica, sino más una medicina de emergencia para curar.<br/><br/>Una vez probé suplementos durante un ataque de histerismo y pánico y los dejé dos veces, porque fue una de mis peores experiencias alimenticias. En vez de eso estoy aprendiendo sobre las propiedades de las frutas y he descubierto que tengo más que suficiente hierro y calcio desde que soy frugívoro que incluso antes.<br/><br/>Cada día aprendemos más y he estado recogiendo montones de listas de frutas en nuestra web. Fue una gran sorpresa ver cuanto hierro, calcio y vitaminas hay en nuestras frutas diarias. No sólo es suficiente… Es perfecto.<br/><br/>Por otro lado, todo el teatro sobre la B12 fue solamente algún intento de investigación y que nos hizo pensar sobre eso y lo que provocó algunas dudas. Todos los frugívoros saben como conseguir la B12:<br/> - Lentinula edades: llamado Shiitake, es la fruta del bosque (setas). Tiene una alta dosis de vitamina B12 e incluso de D2. (algunos súper listos y enfermos nutricionistas, con ideas anticuadas de la Edad Media, todavía predican lo contrario)<br/> - Las bayas del espino amarillo (Hippophae rhamnoides) tienen montones de vitamina B12. (mediante simbiosis del espino amarillo con el microorganismo Actinomices, se forma una B12 concentrada dentro la cáscara de la semilla del espino amarillo, la cual era anteriormente atribuida al aceite de hígado de bacalao)<br/><br/>Cuando todas nuestras páginas frugívoras se hayan cambiado a Suiza en Mayo de 2008 encontraremos un montón de informaciones frugívoras concentradas:<br/><a target='_blank' href='http://www.fruitarian.eu/'>http://www.fruitarian.eu</a><br/><a target='_blank' href='http://www.fruchtesser.de/'>http://www.FruchtessEr.de</a><br/><a target='_blank' href='http://www.fructarier.net/'>http://www.fructarier.net</a><br/>y otras<br/><br/><center><img border='0' src='http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2131/2506929733_bc103f9d70.jpg?v=0' alt=''/></center><br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Tienes o has tenido antojos, o has comido en exceso? ¿Cómo llevaste esos momentos?</span><br/><br/>Yo le llamo a eso los efectos de la abstinencia, todos nosotros pasamos por cambios difíciles. Al principio de todo, me dí permiso para hacerlo, sin intentar sentirme mal sobre eso, pero después de la segunda o como máximo de la tercera vez era demasiado aburrido el mentirme a mí mismo. <br/><br/>Los efectos negativos de no ser consecuente son simplemente grave, mientras que los efectos positivos después de hacerlo hablan por sí mismos. <br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Sé que Campello tiene una buena selección de fruta, pero que pasa cuando vuelves a Berlín? ¿Tienes una buena variedad de fruta donde elegir allí también?</span><br/><br/>En Campello no es oro todo lo que reluce, y tampoco en Berlín.<br/><br/>Hoy en día es más una cuestión del grosor de tu billetera el que seas capaz de vivir sano o no. En Berlín puedes conseguir todo, si tienes suficiente dinero. La mayoría de frutas vienen del resto del mundo, también de Holanda o Turquía, pero en El Campello la fuente todavía es más cercana, por supuesto.....<br/><br/><div align='center'><img border='0' style='height: 304px; width: 405px;' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/8-Berliner-Fruehling.jpg?t=1209609661' alt='Spring in Berlin'/><br/></div> <br/>De todas formas, tampoco estoy planeando quedarme en Berlín. Berlín era una gran ciudad antes de que todos esos ocupados políticos llegaran.Todavía está bien, pero si se compara con el Berlín de hoy, entonces lo más probable será que quieras salir corriendo, quizás de cabeza a la Selva Australiana....<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Le dices normalmente a la gente como comer? Si es así, ¿cuál crees que es la(s) pregunta(s) más común que la gente te pregunta sobre tu dieta, y cómo la(s) contestas?</span><br/><br/>Ni hablar, eso sería demasiado atrevido y molesto. Gracias a Dios nosotros no somos misioneros. <br/><br/>No vale la pena el esfuerzo de hablar sobre mi vida privada con principalmente gente curiosa y superficial. En lugar de eso intento ser astuto- provocar pidiéndole a la gente que encuentre su propia responsabilidad. <br/><br/>A veces incluso tengo que ignorar a gente en contra frugívora, porque la mayoría de ellos no se quieren realmente escuchar ni a ellos mismos.<br/><br/>A veces les digo: "¿quieres saber sobre mi web?", o "lee en nuestros foros y encontrarás todo en la web". Mi peor respuesta es algo como: "lo siento, pero estoy ocupado". Estas respuestas a menudo son mi salvación de una discusión de bajo nivel, por ejemplo cuando veo que alguien está intentando hacerme perder el tiempo.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Tienes alguna fruta favorita?</span><br/><br/>Sinceramente, me encantan todas, cuando empiezo a estar aburrido de comer una misma fruta durante mucho tiempo, la temporada de las frutas cambia y la vida frugívora y la diversión continúan. <br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Puedes recordar la primera vez que probaste alguna fruta en particular?</span><br/><br/>Sí, cuando comí por primera vez fresas silvestres del bosque, frambuesas, manzanas tempraneras y cerezas....<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Dónde y como te ves a ti mismo viviendo dentro de 10 años?</span><br/><br/>Quien sabe, quizás en el Paraíso....<br/><br/>Si todavía estoy vivo, supongo que comeré frutas como siempre, pero no puedo decir donde me va a llevar la vida, quizás a la India, o a Nueva Zelanda, o a Australia, no sé....<br/><br/>Incluso podría vivir en Baviera, o quedarme aquí en España, depende de como me afecte la situación política o de la compañía para vivir que encuentre. <br/><br/>Puedes estar seguro de una cosa, si empiezo una relación de nuevo, será con una chica frugívora.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>¿Cómo te sientes si la gente te dice que debes estar loco, y que no es posible sobrevivir alimentándote del modo que tú lo haces?</span><br/><br/>Sobre todo evito esas situaciones, pero si no soy capaz de escapar a tiempo, me siento aburrido y triste sobre esas preguntas tan tontas...<br/>A veces les reto a correr descalzos conmigo, quizás a subir la colina, para ser capaz de dar una opinión realista sobre los frugívoros.<br/><br/><br/><br/><img border='0' align='right' style='height: 220px; width: 142px;' src='http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/mangodurian/spainleicester/2-yantras-ons.jpg?t=1209609599' alt='Inside his house'/>Mis respuestas habituales: <br/>¿Quieres decir que ya estoy muerto?<br/>¿Cómo es que tú estás hablando con una persona que no puede sobrevivir?<br/>Gracias por venir a mi funeral.<br/><br/>Últimamente me concentro más en mis proyectos de arte frugívoros, restaurando y pintando mi casa.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Para terminar, ¿hay algo que te gustaría añadir como palabras de aliento para aquellos que aspiran al frugivorismo?</span><br/><br/>Gracias por la gran oportunidad de abrir mi corazón.<br/><br/>Lo bueno sobre el frugivorismo es que la gente más guapa del planeta es frugívora. Si tú ya eres un frugívoro comparte tus relaciones con otros frugívoros y manteneros juntos. Nunca hagas el amor con gente cruel, y no dejes que te rodeen personas agresivas.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Gracias Rudolf</span><br/><br/>Gracias Mango, por esta profunda entrevista y vamos a buscar un momento para corregir mis ridículos errores con el inglés. Gracias.<br/><br/><span style='font-weight: bold;'>Vale, no te preocupes con el inglés, corregí lo peor... </span><br/><br/>Abrazo, Mango<br/><br/>Amor y Paz, abrazos y los mejores deseos para ti, <br/><br/>ons@</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-4129343495769832682011-07-31T11:21:00.001+10:002011-07-31T11:21:26.000+10:00Useful Website - 24 - Learn a language (memrise)<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Much as one perhaps might think so, my life doesn't really revolve around fruit alone. I know this blog may sometimes give that impression, but there are other interests too.<br/><br/>At the moment, I am going through a phase where I'm finding it really difficult to write anything, anywhere. Some kind of writers block perhaps, or maybe because I've just been focusing my attention elsewhere, and finding little enthusiasm to prioritise here.<br/><br/>Currently, most of my online time, revolves around trying to get a grip on the Czech language. I'm determined that someday I'll be able to visit Kveta's family with her, in the Czech Republic, and be able to communicate with them in their native tongue. Well, there's not much other choice as that's about all they speak.<br/><br/>Other languages I've learned in the past, I've always been sort of immersed into. Hearing the spoken language on a daily basis, plenty of access to all manner of reading material, and plenty of opportunity to try out new words I learned. Living in Australia and learning Czech, however, is much more of a challenge. Kvĕta and I mostly speak English with one another, occasionally we'll use a bit of Czech, especially once I've learned a new phrase or so, I tend to try and put it into practice.. But considering we've been together now since 2006, I really feel quite ashamed that I am not able to say and understand more than I am currently able. To be honest, I've not really been making any effort, or headway, up until recently, which is odd, considering how I so much enjoy the challenge of a language.<br/><br/>So what's changed? Well.. I have often searched around on the internet, for language learning websites that might at some point prove useful for when I finally began sinking my teeth into Czech.. and, well, a couple of months back, I stumbled upon a relatively new site that had only been opened to the public for a matter of a few short weeks at the time.<br/><br/>It looked interesting, so I thought I'd sign up and give it a try. Initially more out of curiousity than anything else. They have a main section on learning Chinese, and as I'd studied Japanese way back 25 odd years ago, with emphasis on the writing system, I felt drawn to take a look at the similarities. I started one of the Chinese lessons they had, and immediately saw what a great potential the website had. They basically make language learning fun, turning it into a game more than anything, and it took me not more than a few clicks, before I realised that I could really use something like this to help teach me Czech.<br/><br/>I had no real intention of pushing further with the Chinese, so I dropped that and looked around the site some more..<br/><br/>Now, at the time, there were a good couple of dozen languages listed there to learn, and the ability for users to add new languages to the list too. Czech was already there, but completely empty, so I slowly began creating content within it. That's just one of the beauties of the website, - the ability to add new content, and learn words as you do so.<br/><br/>The Czech section has grown to about one and a half thousand words so far, pretty much all added by myself so far, but there are now about 30 people using that section to learn Czech, and those numbers are growing steadily.<br/><br/>What makes this site so unique and special? well, apart from allowing any user to add content, and share it with others, it also presents words or phrases to be learned in a way that is both fun and slightly addictive. Normally, I'm not a fan of addiction, but this sort of addiction is clearly beneficial to any language learner, at any level, for any language (someone's even created a section to learn Klingon!).<br/><br/>For each new word added, anyone can think up a mnemonic to help them remember it. You can also add example usage or notes on the etymology (roots) of a word, as well as alternatives and much more in the pipeline.<br/><br/>If you're not sure what is meant by mnemonic, it's basically a method of helping the memory to better organise and recall. So basically, if I were to tell you that the word for peach in Czech is "broskev", chances are that in five minutes or less, you'll have forgotten the word already. However, if I concoct the story that the greengrocers down the road from where I lived growing up was run by 2 brothers, both called Kevin, and that their shop was called "BROS. KEV", and that they had the most juicy, sweetest, flavourful PEACHEs you could ever imagine, you may remember what peach is in Czech in a week from now.. Especially if you specifically have a desire to know it in the first place.<br/><br/>And the website is still in BETA, which means that it's early days still, and you can expect lots of changes to it in the coming months, improvements and added tools, not to mention the ever growing user base full of people who are themselves improving the website by adding content and mnemonics. Honestly, I think for most people struggling with language learning, this website could prove invaluable. You've really got to experience it to appreciate it's qualities. It's 100% free. I see this website with enormous potential and could possibly be a new facebook, social website place for language enthusiasts.<br/><br/>Want to czech it out? (pun intended). here it is:<br/><br/><a target='_blank' href='http://www.memrise.com'><big>http://www.memrise.com</big></a></div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-82548055864885152292011-07-01T10:37:00.002+10:002011-07-01T10:55:42.708+10:00International Fruit Day!<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It's here again! Today marks the celebration of the 5th International Fruit day, held each year on July 1st.<br />
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<span class='text_exposed_show'>This year the day of fruits stands in the sign of the mango which is the chosen fruit for 2011.</span><br />
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Mango, Mango, Olé!<br />
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To celebrate, all you have to do is just eat fruit for the day, share a fruit meal with friends, surprise family members with a big fruit salad, buy a fruit you've never eaten before, give a fruit you've eaten before and didn't enjoy, another chance.. the options are endless, but all focus around bringing more awareness of the goodness and life giving qualities of a fruit entered lifestyle.<br />
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For us, it'll be just like every other day. Filled with fruit meals and fruit thoughts. Plus of course other activities.<br />
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<b>Mango Fruit of 2011<br />
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We lead a very simple lifestyle really, most days we start the day with a freshly squeezed fruit juice, maybe do a spot of gardening, burying compost (all our fruit sraps get buried in the garden, and produce the most nutritious soil when biodegraded, - the proof being the little fruit we are able to grow being of above average sweetness.), weeding, pruning off dead leaves, etc.<br />
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Maybe a swim in the local river, or a visit to friends out at <a href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2010/01/fruitopia.html' target='_blank'>fruitopia</a>..<br />
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I'm also currently spending a fair bit of my time studying the Czech language. I'm using a website called <a href='http://www.memrise.com' target='_blank'>MEMRISE.COM</a>, to aid learning, it's a great website that enables one to learn pretty much any language through the use of mnemonics.. SO far though, it's really only me working on the Czech language side, and I've added about 600 or so words there.. The websites free, and still in Beta, and I'm told to expect big changes. Language learning is fun, this'll be my 6th or so I've learned, but I guess one never stops learning a foreign language..<br />
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Meanwhile, through it all, way wait, practicing impatience, yearning for the Divine to provide us with a house on a plot of land, with privacy, seclusion, good soil, and water, to live out the rest of our days on.. So far, the issue is really about lack of money for such an investment, and lack of available places that are up for long term leases.. Never-the-less, we are confident that such a place will eventually be manifested for us, and in this area too, which has a near abouts perfect all year round climate.<br />
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Anyhow, happy international fruit day to you all,<br />
mango.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-10288896307152720942011-06-15T12:44:00.002+10:002018-06-06T05:37:16.906+10:00Fruitarian Interview - 40 - Pom VincentThis interview deleted after request from interviewee - 6th June 2018Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-32037995558824285762011-05-21T07:24:00.003+10:002011-06-15T13:00:08.117+10:00Fruitarian Community..<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I've been following an idea for a while, and keep thinking I need to write a blog post about it, so here I am, finally finding time to get around to it..<br />
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Some time ago, a friend of ours from here in Australia, a young guy named Sunshine, decided to give fruitarianism a shot. I'm talking of course, of true fruitarianism, a lifestyle that consists of a purely fruit diet.. no nuts, seeds, greens or roots, and we wished him success with his experiment. - His lifestyle choices were fundamentally steered by ethics, and he felt that the time was right, as was the place and decision he'd chosen to follow, so off he trundled out into the world.<br />
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He attended the Fruktifest fruitarian gathering that was held in France in 2010. From reports I've heard, it wasn't entirely what I'd expected it to be, but several like-minded people attended, and together a few of them formed the idea of a fruitarian community. Enthused through their meeting and eager to get something started, I think 7 of them journeyed off together to southern Spain where they lived and shared their lives and fruits together for a while.. I believe they were checking out the possibility of purchasing land there, and although I'm not altogether sure of their circumstances and location there, I like to picture them living naked under some fruit trees, swimming in natural water, and enjoying life.<br />
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I'm also guessing, (as the truth is I am filling in the gaps with my guesswork), that they were unable to find anything affordable and suitable enough, some likely became restless or, saw this not entirely as they had planned, and decided to move off doing their own things).. What I believe is correct, is that 3 of the small tribe, up and left Europe altogether, together, in the altogether (OK.. OK.. I just made that last bit up about them being in the altogether!).. And ended up in Africa.. - Kenya to be more precise.<br />
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Sunshine, Tanya and Pom. (Pom & Tanya both originate from Italy)<br />
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Their discoveries, after having already lived there for several months, is that land is abundant, with rich soil, and most assuredly affordable. Land consisting of acres being available for as little as a couple of hundred euros per acre! (compare that to here, where a simple 1 acre prime block of land, with no structure on it, will cost no less than $100,000 (Australian!))..<br />
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Anyhow, it seems that the 3 of them, although remaining in close contact, are no longer travelling as a clan, but Sunshine and Tanya are somewhere close to the coast, where there is more of an abundance of available fruit to be had, while Pom has moved inland.. Initially in search of land, but now I gather preparing and planting out on a spot that he is living on, with melons, and other quick growing fruits, in preparation for the others to join him.<br />
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Now for the amazing news.. Being in close contact with the native inhabitants, (they built a mud hut dwelling for him to live in!) Pom's lifestyle has rubbed off on them. They have seen him eating just fruit, and questioned his choices. Pom has explained enthusiastically, and the local Kenyans have simply embraced the idea.. He now has I think 17 friends that are proud to call themselves fruitarian, and keen to get more fruit trees planted. They seem to simply love the idea that they can live on just fruit, as it fits in perfectly with their already established religion and belief system.. One local, recently converted guy, Biti is so excited about the idea, he claims that all of his community may turn fruitarian once they hear of it, and that would be about a 1000 people! (apparently they are against schools, establishments, industries, money and consider such things as unavoidable evils.. They don't believe in medicines, like to sing and pray when they plant, and instead of attending any church or such, gather under a tree in nature to praise the Divine. I've heard they also tend to dryfast every couple of weeks for 2 to 4 days!).<br />
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<img width='400' title='hippo eating banana' alt='hippo eating a banana' src='http://i52.tinypic.com/jrfcw8.jpg'/><br />
<center><b>One of Poms recently converted Kenyan friends <br />
eating a banana</b></center><br />
This is really quite incredible news, as I doubt I myself would have thought of Kenya as being an ideal place to establish a fruitarian community. My misgivings would likely center more around the potential political instability of that part of the world. I have spent a little time in the country though, and do see it's land and people have potential. - back in the beginning of the 80's, my brother was teaching at a school in a little village called Yala in Kenya, and myself, Helena, my sister, and mum & dad all went out to visit him for a few weeks. The experience had quite an impression on me, especially the week long safari seeing all the animals so close.<br />
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Apparently due to underlying corruption throughout the officialdom, it is very easy to get ones visa renewed without actually having to leave the country.. (all it takes is a little under the desk bribery, and papers get stamped, no questions asked).<br />
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I'm following the project keenly through the website some kind soul has knocked together for Pom: <a target='_blank' href='http://www.fruitariancommunity.tk/index.html'>fruitariancommunity.tk</a>. And if anyone wishes to help him out in any fashion, through donation of tropical fruit seed or with desire to join them in Kenya and help advance their efforts, all help would be appreciated, and you can contact him via: wearefruitarian at gmail dot com.<br />
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On the confusing side for me though, despite Pom's apparent eagerness to make things happen there, I spoke briefly with Sunshine on the phone several weeks ago. He seemed very uncertain of whether he truly desired to stay in Kenya, and was asking many questions about land availability and affordability back in this corner of the world, and talking also of the possibility of south America. He gave me the impression of being most undecided.<br />
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I have no real idea either, of what Tanya's thoughts are on the whole issue.<br />
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Several months ago I sent Sunshine an interview and he's still working on that but as he's avoiding computers, progress is slow.. I intend to interview Pom and Tanya too but so far haven't gotten around to organise those [<b>Update: Pom's interview is now online <a href="http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2011/06/fruitarian-interview-40-pom.html">here</a></b>].. I get the impression with Pom, that he is one of the few people that really seems to get what fruitarianism is about, and there's a part of me that almost wishes I was younger again, and could get out there and join him on his (ad)venture.. But, no I'm feeling settled where we are, and no genuine desires to be anywhere other than here.. sure, would love for the universe to hurry up and miraculously manifest the place we are waiting impatiently for, but I don't see that place as being too far from here..<br />
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Anyhow.. Anyone interested in finding out more, I suggest you visit the website and blog (that can be linked to from the website).. I for one am curious to see how this project unfolds and evolves.<br />
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Peace,<br />
mango.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-58848453177693765272011-05-17T12:47:00.001+10:002011-05-17T12:47:08.236+10:00On Grains and green vegetables..<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>It's been a while since I last post something. I have just not really felt the urge to do so, although at times I have thoughts that filter toward the front of my mind and urge me to put them to paper, I have been neglecting to do so. I don't know, maybe it is some kind of writers block that prevents me from even beginning. Whatever it is, I am not totally happy with it myself, as I enjoy writing, and feel I still have lots that needs to be said. <br/><br/>So where to start now? Well.. I've recently received a fair few emails that have thus far gone unanswered. I'm afraid if you do email me via my website, I may not always find the time to reply, and don't particularly feel that I should be obliged to do so. I prefer if people ask me questions here on my blog, as that way the answers get to be shared with everyone. That's why I try to keep my <a target='_blank' href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2008/01/frequently-asked-questions-on.html'>FAQs</a> page updated, so that people can refer to that first. Like someone recently asked me once more why I don't eat greens.. For sure, I'm likely to go into more detail on that again in a later post, but for the meantime, I suggest you check out the FAQ page, and look at the answer I give there.. anything more specific, you might ask directly on a post that talks specifically about greens..<br/><br/>OK.. Another email question I've received lately I'm going to attempt to answer here:<br/><br/><i>I am an 18 year old male from London who has had Anorexia Nervosa for 4 years but I'm recovering by myself, and am still struggling to find the right path.<br/><br/>I am a vegan (not raw) transitioning to Fruitarianism as I believe it's the only way to be fully at peace and I'm tired of being dependent on man and not the Earth.<br/><br/>You have really inspired me and I am fascinated by you... Even you're view that it's only 'you who can decide what and when to eat' makes so much sense as opposed to these other RV sites which promote gluttony even on a healthy/natural die. - The 30BaD website helped me, but deep down I knew that forcing myself to eat such large quantities was unnecessary, I really need a balance and not one of over indulging without any true reason that makes sense, if you know what I mean.<br/><br/>Surely this is not at all spiritually different from a Omnivorous diet as it is still calculating etc and is artificial.. You on the other hand go with natural cues, which is why you're so amazing...<br/><br/>I am living off grains and green vegetables currently and seem very calm and comfortable. However, is this ok? I really want to find peace, and you seem to have done that....<br/><br/>I'm not a bad person for consuming grains am I? And I was glad to see your comment that 'noone knows better than yourself' as this really woke me up from my daydream of relying on other peoples routine!</i><br/><br/>OK.. Firstly I wish to make it abundantly clear that I don't give dietary advice. I basically blatantly state my opinion, which human as we ALL are, I'm aware could ultimately be wrong. This world has too many people in it that are unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions and choices, and I know that cosmically speaking, I am ultimately only really responsible for my own thoughts, choices and actions. And I know the same goes for everyone else, much as when things go wrong they are only too eager to point the finger elsewhere.<br/><br/>But having said that, I shall now state my opinion. Yes, I believe that force feeding oneself, more than the body desires, makes little sense to me, and therefore I cannot accept that a decision to do so is based on any real wisdom. (sure, people will think the same about my choice to eat purely fruit, but well, let them, I say!). I cannot claim to have any in depth experience and knowledge of anorexia specifically, but I do believe that it is just one of a multitude of disorders that prevail throughout the world. The vast majority of people out there have never been truly educated to what constitutes real food, eating all manner of highly addictive foodstuffs which can lead to countless nutritional problems. So I try to maintain a simplistic approach to it all, and view all problems as fundamentally the same, with the same principle underlying causes, and basically the same solution. Sure, you could come up with rare examples that apparently don't fit this pattern, but go back far enough and be observant enough, and I believe that even those cases can be seen to have the basic same origins. IE, not everything can be fixed through the duration of one single lifetime. But certainly improved though!<br/><br/>You question of whether the overindulging of even comparatively good foods can be spiritually any different to that of the standard omnivorous diet. I personally wonder why such a question arises.. I see the 2 as very different, for the basic Low Fat Raw Vegan diet to which you refer, has already made great spiritual progress through avoiding the consumption of animal products and cooked foods, sure they may be still stuck in their rut of classifying foods as carbohydrates, fats and omegas, and bent on counting calories, but for them, they feel a need to be comforted by such, it is not a bad thing, although I do believe fear-based - like they may feel that if they don't do so, they can get their balances wrong, and end up suffering from it. They just do not trust their own bodies yet, and have been mesmerized by the hypnotic numbers quoted by nutritional pseudo-scientists. Hence the overeating too, they feel they need to do that. Depriving them of that will help noone.. Some of them will eventually evolve beyond such a need, but that'll be an individual thing. I hold no attachment to any of it, and wish them all well. <br/><br/>You ask if you are a bad person for consuming grains.. Well, no, that wouldn't be nice of me! I mean, who would I be to judge anyone as bad. That's not for any of us to do. Now I can judge actions as bad, and/or misguided, and I do believe that eating grains is misguided. And my judgements may or may not be correct. That's the way the world is, we have to all make up our own minds about what we truly think is right or not. If you want to perhaps get more of an insight into why I believe grain eating is folly, then imagine yourself growing and harvesting your own grain. Seriously, you don't have to actually go out and do that, just use your imagination. No machinery.. Just picture the work and effort that would be required.. How will you stop weeds growing between the grain? you can't weed without trampling all over it.. How much land do you think you will need to produce grain enough for one loaf of bread? How will you harvest it? Now picture yourself with an apple tree.. sure you may have to wait 8 years for one to grow and give fruit, but meanwhile there are an abundance of other ones around. There is tremendous work effort put into growing rice and every other grain, a good deal of which originates from hardworking underpaid manual workers in underdeveloped countries that have trouble feeding themselves. Their land is very often highly suitable for fruit tree growing which is far more profitable.. Grain is for the birds, out in nature, you could never gather enough to have a serious feed.<br/><br/>Green vegetables are a different story, and can be easily grown in ones own backyard, but the longer you are on a raw vegan diet, I believe you will naturally veer toward increasingly higher percentages of fruit. Especially when available. - Remember demand increases supply!<br/><br/>So, is it OK to be living on greens and grains? well.. it's all relative really.. You could be doing far far worse.. But there's always room for improvement too. That's the beauty of life, perfection may be an unattainable goal but that shouldn't stop you enjoying trying to reach it.<br/><br/>I wish you success on your path, and wisdom in your decision making.<br/><br/>Peace to you all!</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-17272791572875973082011-04-18T06:35:00.000+10:002011-04-18T06:35:09.245+10:00Low Fat Raw Vegan vs Paleo.. The debate<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Well folks, the debate took place on Friday the 15th April, our time, (down under), and I believe Kveta and I were one of the 1000 plus that listened in to the event live.<br />
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It was sort of entertaining, but I must admit it left me a little frustrated. <br />
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In his closing statement, Richard (the cooked flesh eater), claimed that Harley (the calorie counting vegan) was more debating against general omnivores than Paleo specific, but to be honest, Richard was doing exactly the same, debating more against veganism than Harleys more specific version of low fat, and raw.<br />
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Neither party really went overboard loosing their cool at any time, which admittedly surprised me with Richard, as when I <a href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2011/03/different-dictionaries.html'>briefly attempted a discussion</a> with him over at his blog, his responses (and those of the bulk of the rest of his disciples) were generally quite primitive in nature, and consisted of a fair bit of name calling.<br />
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Richard gave a bit of an odd response to the question about whether he at all felt any moral qualms about his chosen diet, stating something about the rights for humans not coming from the fact that we can feel pain and suffer like animals, but rather that we can think. As if animals are themselves incapable of such, or as if every human is capable of such. Clearly neither is true.<br />
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He also very much showed his ignorance by stating his view that a vegan based lifestyle would destroy the earth and kill off animals by destroying their habitat. He clearly has neither an idea how much land is lost due to livestock farming, nor how much more environmentally sound an agriculture based predominantly around fruit tree growing has the potential to be. Perhaps he is comparing more a nomadic based lifestyle, of hunters and gatherers living in small tribes, something likely far afield from his own lifestyle choice.<br />
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The point was also made about Harley being too skinny in the eyes of a Paleo, but when Harley countered that his body weight and size was comparable to most other endurance athletes, Richard fully dismissed this, saying that his athletic prowess had nothing to do with the debate at hand.<br />
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Then there was that whole comparison he made of liver versus a bowl of fruit.. I mean yuck, who cares how much nutrient is in either (!).. one is dead and unappealingly disgusting, the other is vibrant, colourful and sweet..<br />
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Harley handled himself pretty well, but I do know that he has a tendency to exaggerate the truth at times. Not about his athletic fetes, I don't doubt those for a second, but he does state that he shares a flat with a paleo flat mate, and if it's the guy I believe it to be, then I don't think it's quite factual to be labeling him as paleo. <br />
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He also brought up the old adage about sticking a rabbit and a piece of fruit in with a baby and see which one it eats.. I used to like that one, but honestly, if you think about it, most omnivore parents would not give their babies living animals to kill themselves. They would kill and rip it open first. I would guess that an innocent baby would want to stick both items (the apple and the flesh) in their mouths, as that's how babies find out about the world. <br />
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Sure though, I will merit that the vast majority of humans don't have the heart to take a knife to a cows throat and kill it for lunch.<br />
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A little too much talk of triglycerines and the B12 critters (whatever they are) and their ilk for my liking, but I guess for many that's what they want to hear.<br />
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When Richard claimed that "the china study" had been debunked, Harley countered that, yes, by a 21 year old girl who he doubted the existence of. Personally I thought this a pretty weak response.. I mean, it's not that I myself have read the China study, nor have any great desire or intention to do so, nor have I seen the debunking response, but dismissing a debunk purely on the supposed age and gender of the debunker is a little unfair. (it may well be the debunk is weak by it's own merits, but if the author is genuinely a mystery, it may also be there was far more research put into it than Harley is aware).<br />
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And, this has little to do with his side of the debate, and is more about me wanting to be that small voice for fruitarianism, he also made that statement about not knowing anyone that eats just fruit (he knows Kveta and myself at least). But I guess he is entitled to believe that those of us that claim we do, are all liars, though I can't help but think still that Harley somehow feels threatened by the idea.. Also, I am quite curious to know where he get's his data from when he states so matter of factly that Ross Horne was not vegan. <br />
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Anyhow, Kudos to both parties for stepping up to the microphone and airing their view points. If you want to listen to it, here it is:<br />
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Mango</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com16tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-82543463651486961952011-04-15T07:15:00.001+10:002011-04-15T07:15:01.387+10:00Crazy World News - 13 - Eggs soaked in piss.<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>The truth, we're told, is often stranger than fiction, and this is surely one of those cases. Apparently, A certain chinese province is going wild about the latest delicatessen, - schoolboy urine soaked eggs!<br />
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Dongyang people boil eggs in boy’s urine and sell them for 1.50 yuan (just over 20 US cents each). They're said to be selling like hot cakes!<br />
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Now for me, eating birds eggs is pretty bizarre enough itself, boiling them adds to the chaos, and doing so with urine, and being allowed to simmer all day(!).. well, that's just the icing on the sugar of madness.<br />
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In 2008, these <i>tong zi dan</i> (Boy eggs), were listed by the city of Dongyong as a <i>local intangible cultural heritage</i>.<br />
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See: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ministryoftofu.com/2011/03/boy-urine-soaked-eggs-listed-as-local-specialty-intangible-cultural-heritage/">Boys Urine Soaked Eggs Listed as Local Specialty</a><br />
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Crikey.. Actually, on a similar note, I recall watching "An Idiot Abroad" (an excellent TV documentary series well worth watching), a guy named Karl Pilkington who travels to see the 7 wonders of the world, one of them being the great wall of china. Anyhow, he gives his view on the chinese way of eating, which to be sure is not much more bizarre than his own, just different.. See this video about 2 minutes in, where they show yet another way eggs are eaten in that part of the world..<br />
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And if you found that bizarrely fascinating, have a look at this one:<br />
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But that's just changed! A time-slot has been allocated, and both parties seem keen to come head to head..<br />
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In the green corner we have Durianrider Harley, who is taking the low fat raw vegan glycogen calorie obsessed 80/10/10 stance. And in the dripping blood red corner, Neanderthal Richard Nikoley, the high fat cooked zombie flesh eating paleo stance. Both parties are no doubt already firmly entrenched in their ways, and I seriously doubt either would be at all open to change their stance, so the debate will not be about convincing themselves or each other, but hopefully should be of some benefit to others who have yet to fully decide their paths.<br />
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The debate can be viewed live (just visit <a target='_blank' href='http://realhealthdebate.com/'>realhealthdebate.com</a>, watch the intro video, and sign up to receive a link to the event). It'll be structured, with limited times allocated to each party, with both stating their cases, and both having time following to ask and answer each other questions. <br />
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It'll take place at 6pm PST on the 14th April (which works out to midday on the 15th here on the east coast of Australia). <br />
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I was reading up on <a target='blank' href='http://freetheanimal.com/2011/04/the-real-health-debate-live-nikoley-vs-johnstone.html'>Richards Blog</a>, and he seems pretty confident, as do most of the comments from his followers who admittedly, are not the sharpest tools in the box. No doubt similar confidence is being expressed over at <a href='http://www.30bananasaday.com'>30 bananas a day</a>..<br />
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If nothing else, I'm sure the debate will prove itself entertaining. Enjoy</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com14tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-45588568059826061392011-04-08T09:29:00.002+10:002011-04-17T13:55:51.548+10:0013th International Vegan Festival..<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Admittedly, I'm a tad late getting this news out there, but for whatever reason, the grape vine infoline must have been moving trickle slow, as I've only just heard word of the event.<br />
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It seems that Spain this year will once more be hosting an international vegan festival.. The 13th of it's kind, and 2nd to be organised by Francisco Martin, who just so happened to have also organised the 7th festival which took place in Tossa del Mar (North East coast of Spain in September 1993). <br />
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The International Vegan Festivals are by no means yearly events, but get organised purely when someone is brave enough to do so. Their focus is on promoting veganism, and bringing more vegan awareness to the world... Generally there are several guest speakers that turn up for the event, with talks ranging from creation of simple vegan cuisine, to renowned doctors talking of the nutritional benefits of a vegan diet (as oposed to an ominvorous one), a lecture or 2 on raw foods, if you're lucky maybe even one on fruitarianism!.. Some informative videos might get shown too, and there's always the odd walk arranged, outing, or early morning yoga meditation sessions. Each event is different.<br />
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The events normally attract a wide range of visitors from all corners of the globe, so I reckon it'd be a good guess that there'll be at least double figure countries represented..<br />
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This years festival will take place in just 2 months from now, in Malaga, southern Spain, at the beginning of June.. (June 4th to June 12th, 2011).<br />
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I've been fortunate enough to have attended 3 of the festivals myself in the past, the 6th held in Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England in the summer of 1992. The 7th in Tossa del Mar, and the 9th which was hosted by my good friend Zalan, at his <a target='_blank' href='http://www.continentalhouse.com.au/'>guesthouse/retreat</a> in Hepburn Springs, central Victoria, Australia, during the Christmas week of 1998..<br />
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Francisco Martin, the organiser of this years festival, is himself a raw food vegan of very long standing, probably some 30 odd years or so, give or take, and it was actually he, and a lecture he gave during the 6th festival, that helped me finally wake up and see the sense of becoming a <i>raw</i> vegan back in 1992.<br />
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I'm sure this years event will prove to be equally mind opening for many, and am sorry that I never got the news out earlier..<br />
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Should anyone out there wish to attend despite the ever so short notice, or just find out more, then go here: <a target='_blank' href='http://www.ivu.org/veganfest/2011/'>13th IVF, Malaga, Spain</a>.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-7302593273252918802011-04-01T15:00:00.001+11:002011-04-05T12:34:16.540+10:00Knowledge vs Belief.<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>Still pondering over the recent attempt at <a href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2011/03/primal-food-meat-etc-vs-predominantly.html'>debating with paleos</a>, I've decided to hone in on another of their flawed arguments. One guy countered something I said by writing "the trouble with vegans, is they don't think, they believe".. Now putting aside that the guy who wrote this must surely have been thinking none too straight himself, (to the best of my knowledge, thought is a clear necessity for belief), what he really meant to say was that rather than rely on knowledge, we tend more toward belief, trust and faith.<br />
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Now.. there's no way that I will be denying this is very much true for myself, I do go very much on belief. Ethics and morality are about belief and opinion.. I acknowledge any views I may have on nutritional science, are purely based on belief and personal experience.<br />
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But what I further wish to underline, is that the vast majority of the paleos out there that talk of knowledge, and of concrete fact, are very much themselves in denial of their own beliefs. Knowledge requires first hand experience of something. Thus, if I believe I know something, and tell you it, you will not then also <i>know</i> it.. No matter how much you trust me, there will always be the chance that I myself am either misinformed, not reporting the truth in it's entirety, exaggerating or for whatever reason, outright lieing.<br />
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Many Paleos claim to know how paleo man ate. As if they themselves have traveled backward in a time machine, and witnessed first hand. As if they themselves have been studying fossils, been on archeological digs, seen remnants of foods from a time period that they themselves have personally carbon dated to be in the period they believe it to be.<br />
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Indeed, I recall some years ago, how a discovery of some cave drawings in South Africa, were tested by a group of scientists.. carbon dating proved the drawings to be older than any other hithertil discovered cave paintings.. In fact so old, that it meant rethinking the whole history of the dawn of humankind. There was much furrour within the scientific community, but as the drawings gained more publicity, a little old lady of some 80 years old odd, stepped forth from the masses, and claimed she herself had drawn the cave paintings as a young girl.. Further investigation proved that this was infact fact.<br />
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Despite being widly accepted as fact, evolution <i>theory </i>is itself very much that.. THEORY. There are so many missing links and unanswered questions. I'm not trying to say I'm a creationist, far from it. I sit on the fence as it were, and blatantly claim no knowledge. Sure, I have been known to voice my opinion that the garden of Eden may once have existed, and that fruit was (and still is) our one true fair. But I don't know this is true. For all I know, we may all have been genetically engineered by aliens. Or one person once hypothesized that for all we know, the whole universe could have been created at 2pm in the afternoon on April the 1st 1911.. Stars, planets, life, plants, animals, people with fully formed memories of lives they never had and experiences never experienced.. The whole darned kaboodle. (happy 100 years today!).. Some might even think the universe was sneezed out of the mouth of a giant green dragon, (and wait fearfully for the coming of the great white hanky!).<br />
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Sure I'm curious to know the truth of the origins of existance.. but beyond curiousity there is little else. I believe with veganism, it matters not.<br />
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But back to the Belief vs Knowledge. Many people claim they know things they really only believe. People quote nutritional science as though it were completely undisputed fact. But the problem with nutritional science, is that it is as yet far from being complete. There are clearly conflicting theories out there, and we're liable to claim the one that suits us best as fact. Which is why I try and steer clear of nutritional science. It being still in it's infancy, it's highly unreliable. And yet the paleos are mostly fully blind to this, to them, it is as if they themselves <b>know</b>.<br />
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Sure, they're not the only ones that have a tendency to claim knowledge when it is only belief that is present. Richard, the owner of the blog I gave my tuppence worth on, has agreed to hold a video'ed debate with DurianRider Harley, the Low Fat Raw Vegan. Both are likely equally certain of themselves that they have knowledge and that the other is misguided. Of course, I'm much more inclined toward Harleys general thinking than Richards, but I'll not be kidding anyone in claiming knowledge either way. It'll surely be an interesting debate, though I seriously doubt that either party will be swayed. - The last rumour I heard was that it would take place on the 7th of April, in just 6 days time. I'm sure when and if a date is finally fixed, news will spread rapidly.<br />
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To me, the whole vegan issue cannot be debated through incomplete science, or dodgy history, as both sides will purely be expressing their opposing opinions based solely on beliefs. It is purely an ethical issue. It matters not one iota to me if cavemen ate meat, or even if meat eating helped to develop the brain. The issue now, currently, is that we have an awareness of the suffering of others, and should do our best to help minimise or avoid it.<br />
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History will always be disputable, so I tend to look to the future and envision a harmonious world, at peace with itself, with a <i>live and let live</i> balance reigning supreme.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com35tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-60208102417326018462011-03-27T11:14:00.002+11:002011-03-28T08:21:37.719+11:00Are coconuts part of the fruitarian diet?<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>I recently blogged about mushrooms on a fruitarian diet: <a href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2011/02/mushrooms-on-fruitarian-diet.html'>here</a>, to which, in a follow-up comment, Orange pondered my views on coconut water..<br />
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Well, I see no need to make this a lengthy post at all. I stand by what I wrote in the mushroom post, about my redefinition of the food pyramid. With the aspiration to eat as high within the triangle as possible. (before possibly transcending food altogether and entering into the realms of breatharianism! .. aah.. but I dream, and don't intend to go into that right now).. So where are the coconuts placed within the pyramid I propose?.. Well, for sure they are far from being the coarse food of butchered flesh. And being generally uncooked, surely better than most other foods.. But, they are most clearly <i>not</i>fruit, and therefore, although high in the pyramid, in my mind, do clearly not occupy the same ranking as fruit, and thus I don't see them as ideal as I do fruit.<br />
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Just a couple of little facts about coconuts that likely most of you may be aware of already.. Coconuts are eaten at pretty much any stage.. Initially the outer husk is green or light brown, and internally they bear very little flesh, and are mostly of liquid content.. As they mature, flesh begins to form, and the liquid lessens.. These are often called Jelly nuts, or Green coconuts. Maturing yet further, the juice slowly gets converted into flesh which hardens yet further.. It is at this stage that people in the western world are likely to see them dehusked and on supermarket shelves.. This was about the only stage I'd ever seen a coconut until first visiting the tropics, and I recall being amazed at just how tough that outer husk is! - I recall also, watching "Jungle Book as a kid", and realise that the artists rendition of what a coconut tree looked like, with dehusked coconuts forming on the palms, gave an altogether false view of coconut palms..<br />
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As the coconut moves yet further through it's lifecycle (provided the husk has not been removed!), the flesh softens some once more, and swells to fill up much of the interior of the coconut. At this stage, the coconut interior swell is called "the angel" or "the fairy", and the texture of it is, well, fluffy and quite different. What's happening is that the coconut is preparing to sprout, and if left unopened, will likely begin doing so shortly.. <br />
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In the tropics the jelly nuts are often sold by street vendours who will dehusk, and/or machete open them for you on demand. In this way, I consider them to be much more physiologically compatible with our needs, than pretty much any other commercially available nut, that have all been subjected to heat and consequential dehydration, but knowing the nut grows, the fairy forms, and the seed sprouts, I personally choose to let be. Given the availability of an abundance of more suitable food (fruit), I don't believe coconuts should truly ultimately be part of a fruitarian diet.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36582097.post-51318523714664461272011-03-16T13:37:00.009+11:002011-04-01T12:59:29.294+11:00Different dictionaries.<div xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>After that recent debate I began with some paleo bods (see my <a target='_blank' href='http://mangodurian.blogspot.com/2011/03/primal-food-meat-etc-vs-predominantly.html'>last post</a>), I've had time to think some about their stand point. <br />
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It became clear to me that they are basically in denial of their inner ability to extend love beyond themselves and their immediate family. Perhaps as a consequence of not being able to do so, they have also redefined words to have different interpretations, and even appear to have their own version of what they consider logical. When faced with the outright question of why they make the distinctions they do, they have more or less similar arguments to that a sexist would have justifying sexism, a white supremeist justifying supposed white superiority and a racist justifying racism.. <i>They're women goddamn you! They're only men, what else do you expect?! They're not white you fool! They are not one of us, imbecile! They're animals pea brain!</i>. Generally with the expletive added to belittle the questioner. Thus the question is altogether avoided. In other words, there is no rational answer.<br />
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One word they repeatedly branded in a form which based on any current dictionary really makes little sense, was "respect".<br />
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Now according to <a target='_blank' href='http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/respect'>dictionary.com</a>, respect as a verb has the following definitions:<br />
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–verb (used with object)<br />
1. to hold in esteem or honor.<br />
2. show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.<br />
3. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.<br />
4. to relate or have reference to. <br />
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They are using the word in relationship to animals that they enjoy hunting/killing, claiming that when doing so, they respect the animal. I countered them on numerous occasion, stating that there is no way one can reasonably say or suppose that one can be showing respect for an animal, if their intention is to kill, eat and wear it. But many insisted that I was wrong. (I noted that instead of being directed to some written definition to support their claims, I was told to F'off, or similar).<br />
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The only thing I can imagine they actually really meant, though none of them said as such, was that they (following definition no. 1) hold in esteem or honor, not the animal itself, but the <i>slaughtered carcass</i> of the animal.. That would make more sense..<br />
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Now look what the meat eaters have done to him!</b></center><br />
Another word they seemed to be using in a manner I'm unaccustomed to, was "peacefulness", claiming bizarrely enough that hunting was a peaceful occupation.. I tried to get them to reverse the tables, and just try to imagine the peace the animal would be experiencing, but as far as I can ascertain, that is either not something they are capable of, or they just don't want to do so.<br />
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At least one comment there gave the impression that laws and morals are basically the same thing. and that laws are fundamentally imposed morals. I hasten to disagree with that one, for certainly it is not necessary that anything which is legally correct may be considered moral and also that anything which is not forbidden by law should be necessarily moral. Morals and ethics are to the best of my knowledge synonymous (please correct if wrong), and are basically individual characteristics we have. They are the criterion for what you believe is right or wrong. Naturally, as we are broadly shaped by our environments and upbringing, it's often the case that morals are widely shared and accepted, with minor variations from individual to individual. <br />
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It appears that for some unknown reason, the set of morals shared by vegans is often grossly expanded from that of the zombie flesh eater, the flesh eaters recognizing this fact often use it to claim falsely that we believe we are in some way superior. This is by no means meant as a compliment. In fact, as an intended insult, it shows that rather than just face the reality of our differences, for some reason they feel threatened and become defensive. <br />
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I almost feel like the omnivores fear the vegans, like we are a threat to their status quo. It was a common response from the paleo to throw profanity at me, I sort of lost count of how many times I was told to F on out of there, or told I was talking shit (though never any particular specific reference to what it was that was actually shit). One guy would have me fed to the lions! :) <br />
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In my opinion insults and profanity are poor excuses for debate, and often employed when the debater is struggling or unable to continue to debate rationally.<br />
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It's odd that vegans are often accused of being such an angry lot, of course, I can't speak for anyone but myself, but anger at meat eaters is the last thing I feel. I have many friends and family that enjoy flesh. We all get on fine. I feel more a frustration that they are so caught up in the dark ages, that their only really defense they have, given the abundance of alternative on supermarket shelves, is that well, Eskimos eat meat, and wouldn't survive without it. So would I be wrong in thinking the writer of that might themselves be an Eskimo? Likely, yes...<br />
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I don't really see what relevance it has, what Eskimos choose to eat. Nor the Masai, nor the rainforest nomads. Their environments are radically different to ours. Sure, I would question they're choices too.. and wonder why the Masai haven't planted mango trees everywhere, and I would happily debate that with them, but using them as an excuse for ones own habits bears no relationship with reality.</div>Fruitarian Mangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02769115272900669567noreply@blogger.com18